VIBRATION TRAINING

There is some info below from an Autstralian Co (Hypervibe) that has made it's way out our way, that I was hoping you could comment on. While they have high praise for Vibra Flex (Galileo) the price point of their machine would be more inline with the price range the average person might be willing to spend for a home machine. I have sent the actual statement below where he suggests that there machine has a larger amplitude which would end up giving a higher G force. The question would be (especially because of my damaged knee) whether the higher amplitude would actually be somewhat of a detrement (shearing possibly?) as there would be more movement as opposed to "vibration" ? This seems to be the critism of vertical machine proponents against the alternating vertical technology. Other issue, it's also made with an ABS plastic cover which he was willing to point out to me?

Here is their response to how their machine would stack up to a Vibra Flex:

Training benefits from Vibraflex to Hypervibe will be very similar pose for pose. Vibraflex is a much more commercial oriented machine with it's programability, chip technology and construction materials. Hypervibe is well constructed for it's intended purpose and use but has a ABS plastic cover vrs. all steel platform. Programability is not quite as sophisticated but still user friendly.

A surprising difference is in the G-Force generated. For a 2500 dollar home machine the Hypervibe pushes 17G's of force while the Vibraflex model pushes 16, this is in part due to the amplitude with Hypervibe producing 11 mm vrs 9 mm with Vibraflex. We have heard comments from Vibraflex users that the Hypervibe has a very similar feel and at high amplitude a bit more power.


Whatch Think

Galileo EU or Vibraflex US have a wide range of platforms. Check out the home versions.

I have not tested personally the others site, but from the video I can see on their site it looks not so precise as the Galileo. Although many of the postures they show in the video, for my opinion, should be avoided for they are dangerous or not leading to any significant result, such those on the elbows or the bridge. It looks like they pay more attention to the marketing demand, rather than the application the vibration is meant for (muscle tune). My personal opinion.

For the damaged knee, I can tell you nothing certain, for you have to try. Suggestion is try in a professional phisio center first.
Amplitude should be no more than 1.5mm and 18hz for the first try. Try and feel.

Look, only athletes or very well trained can go up to 16 G, but there is no need to go there because at 10G you already begin to bounce on the platform unless you add some additional weight, which is not recommended for average users.

Galileo is made in aluminum, with a very high precision tolerance.

Programability is a boring factor in vibration training because you change frequency day by day... it is a pure marketing tool.
Yeah, can help in the wellness center but we are talking of serious vibration training.

Hi Sasha,

Thanks much for the info. Hypervibe is not trying to directly compete with the Galileo so I wouldn't expect it to be as good for 1/4 the price but I do think for myself I will definitely buy a better machine, just to be sure. I do have friends who are interested but not willing to pay the higher prices which is why I asked.

We don't have ANY physio's here that use WBV which has been the problem trying to figure out what to do and what is best. I have been using a cheap machine here for longer periods and higher amplitude so think I can do a little more than the beginner as it seems I can tolerate it. My regular physio has me trying to do squats etc with a ball inbetween my legs against the wall so I have concluded that I am given the go ahead to do resistance training to the best of my ability. My conclusion is that I can "try" any of the safe poses if I can handle them without worrying about doing more damage, which is a good thing!

As far as dangerous poses....it is difficult to know what would be considered safe as there seems to be so much conflicting info on the internet as well as confusion over the different poses that would be considered safe on alternating vertical vs pure vertical. I agree that so much seems to be geared toward "sales" as opposed to what one should really do. I would be great if you could recommend what not to do on an alternating vertical specifically. For example some suggest dynamic movements others say all poses should be static. Some say you need to be at specific angles to avoid damage to the joints? I think you mentioned plank would not be good? What would be considered safe upper body poses for alternating vertical to get a full body workout? (Obviously this is where pure Vertical claim they have an upper hand for training). This is where I am confused the most especially because I don't want to further damage my knee and also don't want to waste time doing anything that is really not beneficial.

Thanks Again, for your unbiased information!

OK, take a look here. Use translate.google.com as the site is in Italian.
I made some photos with a nice model of what should be avoided and what not with a Galileo Basic, explaining why based on Novotec phisio's 15 years advise. (What they told me)

The abdominal exercise on 0 axis are quite useless.

http://www.massamagra.com/pedana-vibran ... -Basic.htm

Let me know if you need further comments.

Kim,

My name is Murray Seaton, founder of HyperVibe. I found this topic just now, so have registered on this site and would like to comment.
Firstly, I remember seeing you on the vibrationtraining.net site, so I am aware you are from Canada.

We have a new distributor in Canada, and I believe it was our Canadian distributor who has emailed you.

I read the email comments and didn't see them as critism of lineal machines, he was just pointing out the relationship between amplitude and G force. In fact, our Canadian distributor is a vibration studio owner, he uses commercial vibrogym machines, so he is not critical of lineal units.


Sasha,

I appreciate your websites, there is some great information in here, keep up the great work. I would like to send you one of my units in the near future, I would like to hear your feedback, you might be surprised. Our machine is not in the same class as Galileo, however, we are in a much lower price bracket. I am an electrical engineer, and made a number of modifications to a machine from China to produce high frequency and G force. Just like your tests with an accelerometer, I have produced the same with our machine VS a number of other Chinese massage units. In an independent report our unit produced a maximum of 27.7Hz and 12.62 G's unloaded, or 10.58 G's loaded with 90Kg. * Note - sensor was not mounted at maximum amplitude, so values were not maximum G's.
You are right, our machine is not as precise as the Galileo, we are open to consumers about that fact, however we do provide a training device at a fraction of the cost. I am also currently developing a commercial unit which will include a new feature in an alternate vibration device never seen before.

I would like to know which video you are viewing, that you see unsafe exercises? We work closely with a Galileo physio for our exercises and instruction. See www.vibo.com.au
We take great pride in providing accurate and safe information, we are not some "as seen on TV" charlatans.


Look forward to spending some more time here.

This is a question for Murray Seaton of HyperVibe about safety. Shoulder safety in particular.

Your company has recommended people attempt a 10 min push-up. How can this be done without damage to the shoulders.

I have tried and it seems impossible.

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